Murder for God, parts 1 and 2
Posted on 07. Jun, 2010 by Robert in Consciousness, History, Home, Media, Science, Show All, Spiritual, Uncategorized, Youtube
A truly excellent collection of videos and articles highlighting the roots of the little-known history of christianity. Gripping. Disturbing. Enlightening.
8 Responses to “Murder for God, parts 1 and 2”
Robert Bruce
ogmigip
08. Jun, 2010
I dont see wat this has to do with spiritual advancement.
Im not christian, but denouncing chistianity is only going to bring confilct.
You cant honestly expect a christian to hear this and say, “oh so christ isnt my savior, i am, its all just a big bag of lies.”
Their belief system wont permit the truth and you know it.
Robert
09. Jun, 2010
G’day Ogmigip,
Not long ago, the earth was believed to be flat, and it was heresy to say otherwise. Most of what is included in the Murder for God post is historically and/or archeologically supported. I think we have to grow out of and move on from all fundamental religious beliefs, before these destroy our planet in wars over who’s right and who’s wrong.
But to answer your question: spiritual development requires that truth is embraced and that untruth is discarded. This is the only way to approach the greater reality. There is a huge difference between ‘choosing’ what to believe and ‘seeing is believing’ where beliefs are gained through personal experience.
I have asked many religious people a simple question, and none can answer it. “On what personal experience do you base your beliefs?” This makes it very clear that religious beliefs are generally chosen and not learned.
Am I missing something here? I don’t think so.
I apologize if I have hurt anyone’s feelings with this post, but everyone is of course free to have their own opinions about these things.
robert
GratisHealer
10. Jun, 2010
Robert,
To play devil’s advocate, religious people are well aware that what they believe in is NOT based in personal experience. Actually they take pride in this fact.
That is why it is called “faith”.
Robert
10. Jun, 2010
G’day Gratis,
I agree with you in part. A percentage of religious people know they are embracing a mythological framework by choice. But a lot of religious people ‘choose’ to believe that everything they are told is actually true, every word. Such people know the truth with a capital T, and anything outside of this is instantly discounted. Its much the same with materialistic, scientific people, where any kind of religious belief is looked upon as a kind of mild mental illness.
Faith in this respect can also be related to delusion, as you are choosing to believe strongly in something you have never experienced.
For example, the debate over whether God is one, three, or everything. Many, millions, have died for this, died for trying to prove they believe words written in a book by a long dead human being.
Faith based on personal experience, however, is far stronger. This is why manifestation is so difficult. It ‘must’ be based on personal experience.
No one can approach the greater reality without first ridding themselves of illusions and untruths. This is why enlightenment is so difficult. We cling to our illusions and comfortable lies.
robert
GratisHealer
10. Jun, 2010
I agree with this.
There is also a fear element. Some religions say if you do not believe a certain thing, you go straight to hell or some other bad fate. Since 99.9% of people don’t know what happens after death, religions hold a lot of clout in this regard.
Robert
10. Jun, 2010
G’day Gratis,
Yes, definitely, open blackmail is the way of organized religions to keep their membership in line.
There is nothing wrong with holding spiritual beliefs, but you need to grow beyond them. To spiritually develop beyond the norm you need to develop a personal relationship with God and divinity. You can of course do this in a religious framework, like Christianity. Caroline Myss, for example, is a Catholic. But you cannot do this if you use the church to separate yourself from God. If you consider God to be ‘up there somewhere beyond the clouds’ then you will always be separate and down here on earth with everyone else. The realization path requires an intimate relationship with the divine. In this sense, you must travel within to find God in your heart. And while you are there, a little housekeeping is in order….understatement.
robert
GratisHealer
13. Jun, 2010
To play devil’s advocate again, if separation with divinity is the main problem with religion, this is only true of western religion.
Eastern religions, in general, do not to have this problem.
Robert
13. Jun, 2010
Gratis,
True, but for the vast majority of followers of Eastern religions, there is still separation. Very few would stand and say “I am God” as a non dual statement. So for all intents and purposes, God/Source is still up there somewhere beyond the clouds.
“I am a part of God” or “I am God” is the most difficult realization of all. This relates to what Eckhart Tolle means when he says “You ‘are’ the NOW”.
robert